Questions on sex, gender and artistic representation
A Maoist proletariArtist wrote to ask me about gender, sex and representation in Kunst. This Minister can only produce Kunst by definition. So right there the proletariArtist has got to understand that s/he has, basically by definition, a more correct perspective and thus more likelihood to reach/grasp the truth. Real Maoists stand the usual "first world = knowledge; third world = ignorance" bullshit on it's head. Under the JDOP this Ministry will go into recievership, likely in some form of cooperative collaborative art production! :D That will mean lots of sex and wine for me and no more crying over spilled blood.
But, for now we are faced with monumental task. Let's look at the proletArtists questions and try to see if, even living in a pigsty, we can stop thinking like pigs and start thinking like people.
"Do maoists discuss "erotica" and sexual attraction?"
My line is that we MUST discuss eros and sex because those are two driving forces in the world. 99% of people got here by sex. Sex was needed for species survival until the 1970s. So it was vitally necessary.
But, yes, I do not think there was enough discussion of eros and sexuality. Otherwise we would not be facing the confusion we see today: where Trotskyites preach at once homophobia and open marriage. Where real Maoists stake out monogamy as fakes do whatever they want. This confusion is manifested / reflected in these influences on the movement:
Reich, MacKinnon, Freud, Kollontai, Kristeva, Foucault
The most correct view would be a synthesis of them, rejecting parts of each and possibly taking up something from each. MIM fairly clearly rejects Freud and grapples with Kristeva though I have no line on Kristeva. I am likely closest to Reich. MacKinnon's line also heavily influenced MIM and we do take up MacKinnon's opposition to the eroticization of *destructive* *bourgeois* power. But I am 100% of the opinion we can and should celebrate constructive Maoist power. Even if the eroticization of power were per se wrong we could still take up eros to smash eros. But I don't think the healthy and happy outcome is an asexual world. I am heavily influenced by MacKinnon but because I tracked her down I was able to get some clarity about her ideas.
"+i think society too has great influences on these things. [eros and sexuality]"
Marxism-Leninism-Maoism teaches that almost all of life is socially defined, socially created that we are tabula rasa at birth and that our experiences engrave us with habits. So, of course society has great influences on eros and sexuality. Cigarette companies eroticize cancer succesfully all the time, with a line "fuck, because you're going to die anyway". Imperialists eroticize guns and we can and in some cases should too. Though, I would prefer to not eroticize guns ever the imperialists leave us no choice since just to address eros we are forced to address their pimping of guns.
"Whites are sexy in a culturally westernized nation it seems. In some places here and in Africa, healthy and strong wimmin are sexier than thin angelic looking caucasian races wimmin."
Clearly imperialism eroticizes particular body types namely white, blond and overly thin to the point of anorexia. We should eroticize athleticism that is healthy we want to build the strongest people possible. The waif like easily raped girl-child is not the object and a careful examination of this ministry's eroticization will show that the eroticism is directed toward healthy persons i.e. athletic persons who are strong. A unisex and well muscled body type would be best, i.e. would lead to the most rapid progress. Ideally erotic representation will leave everyone wondering just what gender the persyn is. In this sense the emos, though imperialists, can be seen as a guide to what can be accomplished in the divorce of gender and sexuality.
"+In my opinion, all "proletarian" like humyns are hot to me, you know, muscular, strong and healthy."
Yes. Did I mention, the proletariat have the answers already but don't know for sure they do thanks to the bourgeois elitism that grinds them under? All the party in the first world really does -- all it really can do -- is try to guide and confirm the intuitions of the mighty proletariat.
"I realized that gender is realy complex, "
Yes, gender occurs on a spectrum :D It's a complex and at times beautiful world.
"all it matter is what makes you happy, either its a maan or a wimun(biologically speaking)."
Not exactly; individual happiness isn't the right goal because there are real life mass murderers who get off on that. Maybe develop your thought here and get back to me?
"*Do you have any notes on "competition" for romance partners, i mean I watched "Enemy at the gates", one soviet officer said that socialism may make everybody happy, not in the sense that it would make them happy between a girl and two rivalled boys. silly me"
Competition is a normal part of existence, at least under capitalism... and may be a healthy fact of life. We should all desire to be better people to be stronger and that Is a form of competition itself, competing against ones self. Just as there is a destructive power which kills, and a constructive power which gives life, builds houses and feeds children there is also a destructive competition that seeks to limit the opponent and a constructive competition that seeks to better one's self. We try to encourage self development, self improvement and encourage cooperation and collaboration. So we want friendly constructive competition and do not want unfriendly destructive competition.
About competing for romantic partners, isn't it healthy that people will want to be their best for the person they want to build a life with? Aren't people worth struggling for?
"+here, the boy1 gets the girl, the boy2 lost, beloved and gone depressed."
Yes, it is sad for one but it's happy for the other and part of life is learning to accept loss and go on despite loss. We all will get rejected romantically unless we have arranged marriages while we are children. What we need is to figure out ways to help people who are rejected to understand that rejection is not the end of life for indeed youth do kill themselves. MIM here has a problem because we need a Maoist proletarian psychology that will nourish and strengthen the proletariat. Instead all we have is a piece of shit bourgeois spychology designed to toss troublemakers and "deviants" into hospitals and prisons and then keep them there, preferably producing some junk for the bourgeois bloodfeast.
"This crap, i am confused. "
Rejection hurts, a lot, but isn't the end of life.
"Why are girls being competed over by men?"
Because this is what makes people be their best. Yeah, the destructive aspects of that competition suck, when one persyn threatens to kill another, or lies. But those destructive aspects can and should be brought under control by Maoism.
"This is partriarchy right. girls are even sold in Arabia, until now."
Maybe it is patriarchy but it is all we have to start from. We have socialism just about nowhere on earth today and so all we see is the ugly fucked up bourgeois reality and then we have to ask ourselves what we can build out of that and how. We won't be able to get rid of the idea of competition, but we can at least get rid of unhealthy competition.
I am glad we are going to get to see more proletariArt! :D Keep up the production! (Make your own damned art! :D
But, for now we are faced with monumental task. Let's look at the proletArtists questions and try to see if, even living in a pigsty, we can stop thinking like pigs and start thinking like people.
"Do maoists discuss "erotica" and sexual attraction?"
My line is that we MUST discuss eros and sex because those are two driving forces in the world. 99% of people got here by sex. Sex was needed for species survival until the 1970s. So it was vitally necessary.
But, yes, I do not think there was enough discussion of eros and sexuality. Otherwise we would not be facing the confusion we see today: where Trotskyites preach at once homophobia and open marriage. Where real Maoists stake out monogamy as fakes do whatever they want. This confusion is manifested / reflected in these influences on the movement:
Reich, MacKinnon, Freud, Kollontai, Kristeva, Foucault
The most correct view would be a synthesis of them, rejecting parts of each and possibly taking up something from each. MIM fairly clearly rejects Freud and grapples with Kristeva though I have no line on Kristeva. I am likely closest to Reich. MacKinnon's line also heavily influenced MIM and we do take up MacKinnon's opposition to the eroticization of *destructive* *bourgeois* power. But I am 100% of the opinion we can and should celebrate constructive Maoist power. Even if the eroticization of power were per se wrong we could still take up eros to smash eros. But I don't think the healthy and happy outcome is an asexual world. I am heavily influenced by MacKinnon but because I tracked her down I was able to get some clarity about her ideas.
"+i think society too has great influences on these things. [eros and sexuality]"
Marxism-Leninism-Maoism teaches that almost all of life is socially defined, socially created that we are tabula rasa at birth and that our experiences engrave us with habits. So, of course society has great influences on eros and sexuality. Cigarette companies eroticize cancer succesfully all the time, with a line "fuck, because you're going to die anyway". Imperialists eroticize guns and we can and in some cases should too. Though, I would prefer to not eroticize guns ever the imperialists leave us no choice since just to address eros we are forced to address their pimping of guns.
"Whites are sexy in a culturally westernized nation it seems. In some places here and in Africa, healthy and strong wimmin are sexier than thin angelic looking caucasian races wimmin."
Clearly imperialism eroticizes particular body types namely white, blond and overly thin to the point of anorexia. We should eroticize athleticism that is healthy we want to build the strongest people possible. The waif like easily raped girl-child is not the object and a careful examination of this ministry's eroticization will show that the eroticism is directed toward healthy persons i.e. athletic persons who are strong. A unisex and well muscled body type would be best, i.e. would lead to the most rapid progress. Ideally erotic representation will leave everyone wondering just what gender the persyn is. In this sense the emos, though imperialists, can be seen as a guide to what can be accomplished in the divorce of gender and sexuality.
"+In my opinion, all "proletarian" like humyns are hot to me, you know, muscular, strong and healthy."
Yes. Did I mention, the proletariat have the answers already but don't know for sure they do thanks to the bourgeois elitism that grinds them under? All the party in the first world really does -- all it really can do -- is try to guide and confirm the intuitions of the mighty proletariat.
"I realized that gender is realy complex, "
Yes, gender occurs on a spectrum :D It's a complex and at times beautiful world.
"all it matter is what makes you happy, either its a maan or a wimun(biologically speaking)."
Not exactly; individual happiness isn't the right goal because there are real life mass murderers who get off on that. Maybe develop your thought here and get back to me?
"*Do you have any notes on "competition" for romance partners, i mean I watched "Enemy at the gates", one soviet officer said that socialism may make everybody happy, not in the sense that it would make them happy between a girl and two rivalled boys. silly me"
Competition is a normal part of existence, at least under capitalism... and may be a healthy fact of life. We should all desire to be better people to be stronger and that Is a form of competition itself, competing against ones self. Just as there is a destructive power which kills, and a constructive power which gives life, builds houses and feeds children there is also a destructive competition that seeks to limit the opponent and a constructive competition that seeks to better one's self. We try to encourage self development, self improvement and encourage cooperation and collaboration. So we want friendly constructive competition and do not want unfriendly destructive competition.
About competing for romantic partners, isn't it healthy that people will want to be their best for the person they want to build a life with? Aren't people worth struggling for?
"+here, the boy1 gets the girl, the boy2 lost, beloved and gone depressed."
Yes, it is sad for one but it's happy for the other and part of life is learning to accept loss and go on despite loss. We all will get rejected romantically unless we have arranged marriages while we are children. What we need is to figure out ways to help people who are rejected to understand that rejection is not the end of life for indeed youth do kill themselves. MIM here has a problem because we need a Maoist proletarian psychology that will nourish and strengthen the proletariat. Instead all we have is a piece of shit bourgeois spychology designed to toss troublemakers and "deviants" into hospitals and prisons and then keep them there, preferably producing some junk for the bourgeois bloodfeast.
"This crap, i am confused. "
Rejection hurts, a lot, but isn't the end of life.
"Why are girls being competed over by men?"
Because this is what makes people be their best. Yeah, the destructive aspects of that competition suck, when one persyn threatens to kill another, or lies. But those destructive aspects can and should be brought under control by Maoism.
"This is partriarchy right. girls are even sold in Arabia, until now."
Maybe it is patriarchy but it is all we have to start from. We have socialism just about nowhere on earth today and so all we see is the ugly fucked up bourgeois reality and then we have to ask ourselves what we can build out of that and how. We won't be able to get rid of the idea of competition, but we can at least get rid of unhealthy competition.
I am glad we are going to get to see more proletariArt! :D Keep up the production! (Make your own damned art! :D
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